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On another topic, can the woman perform any dancing act for her husband for fun?
- Yes, she can
And what about her dancing before other men?
- She is not allowed to dance before men other than her husband, [rather, infront of other women too]
And man's dancing in public?
- [It is not permissible].
On happy occasions, men and women take to clapping. Is it permissible?
- It is permissible, so long as it did not lead to a sinful act
Muntazir wrote:Not sure, it is better you findout. I wrote because it's allowed in Iran on these occasions.I think i miised this point, lol!
Muntazir wrote: The use of the drum is allowed on the occasion of a wedding, wedding feast (walimah) and both days of Eid. This is concerning the drum which has no tinkle. The drum which has the tinkle is not permitted to be used.The reference you gave for this is not clear. Whose fatwa is it?
Some traditions even quote that it is allowed to play drums on the wedding night.
AND ALLAH KNOWS BEST
Muntazir wrote: Then whyThats what I want to know. Why are we allowed, if we are allowed? Does anyone have any historical reference?
Syed Kazim
the playing of drums is allowed ONLY if its in the war songs, or military parades n that sort of things!To make it simple, my question is - If the Aimmah have said that playing Drums is corrupting and completely Haraam, then why are we even allowed to play them on any occasions? What can be the reason here?
Syed Kazim wrote:Very true!Muntazir wrote:Not sure, it is better you findout. I wrote because it's allowed in Iran on these occasions.I think i miised this point, lol!
it being allowed in Iran does NOT make it Halaal
Muntazir wrote:
Not sure, it is better you findout. I wrote because it's allowed in Iran on these occasions.
I think i miised this point, lol!
it being allowed in Iran does NOT make it Halaal
I Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006
536. Music that is permissible is the music that does not entail entertainment in gatherings held for that purpose. Forbidden music is the music that is suitable for entertainment and amusement gatherings.
537. The expression “the music or the song that is suitable for entertainment and amusement gatherings” does not mean that the music or the song’s tune amuses the heart or changes the mental state because there is nothing wrong in it. The expression actually means that the person listening to the music or the song’s tune —especially if he is an expert in these matters— can distinguish that this tune is used in the entertainment and amusement gatherings or that it is similar to the tunes used therein.
548. Question: Is it permissible to listen to religious songs in praise of Ahlul Bayt (a.s.) that are accompanied with music?
Answer: Songs (al-ghinã’) are harãm absolutely. However, singing praise [of the Prophet or the Ahlul Bayt] that is sung with a good tune but is not in ghinã’ form is without problem.
As for the music, it would be allowed, if it is not suitable for entertainment and amusement gatherings.
In simple words, if you can identify the type of music used in discos, pubs and bars, by the first moment you listen to Music and the first thing that comes to your mind is the same type of music used in those places (discos, pubs and bars), then the music is of a Haraam type and therefore it becomes Haraam for you to listen them.
Using the same method, if you listen to the Music and it doesn’t give you a corrupt feeling in your head, it is then permissible for you to listen.
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 Post subject: Very Sensitive
Thank you for providing us with these beautiful ahadiths.
If you study the ancient Islamic History, you will find a lot that you haven’t come across and it’s wide, wide enough to answer all your questions OR to leave you “mad-confused” (and this is the reason we have Scholars for answering to all our questions). They study the History; they go through each and every Hadith and authenticate them by searching the truth from all corners. They use the help of the Holy Qur’an as well and that’s how they give rulings.
I’m not arguing on this subject, nor am I being against with the teachings of our beloved Prophet (s.a.w.w) and Imams (a.s), no, I’m simply trying to explain the other meaning that I understand from these ahadith.
If playing of Drum was completely Haraam, then why is it used in War Songs and Scholars allow it? If Drums are Haraam then why do the Iranis play Drums inside the Haram (where Bibi Masooma Qum (s.a) is located) on some occasions, and no scholar has condemned this act? Are all these scholars going against our beloved Prophet’s (s.a.w.w) and Imam’s (a.s) teachings? Including Ayatullah Sistani, Imam Khomeini (may his soul be blessed), Ayatullah Khamenei and many other scholars? Are these Scholars not aware of these Ahadith?
Music is an art, and there are plenty of instruments made by Muslims… if we study further.
Music can influence you, and it can as well cure. Islam is not a religion of HARAAM! HARAAM! And only HARAAM! No brother, Islam is a beautiful religion with enough freedom given to all its followers (the only difference is how you use it). I or you have no rights to conclude what’s Haraam and what’s Halaal. It is best for us to leave it to our scholars or we study Islam from its depth.
It is best for us to search all these answers from our Scholars and not to confuse ourselves. I strongly request all of you to study furthermore from a Scholar because this has become a very sensitive issue, one wrong statement and it can lead many to a big sin. (And that’s the reason I’ve not been providing a lot of explanation from my point of view, not because it could only be wrong, but because I’m still a first year student in the Hawza). I, therefore recommend you, as I do to myself to study furthermore and come with a better explanation. And as for the time being, I suggest you differentiate between good and evil from the knowledge you have, for yourself.
Thank you.
“Allah (s.w.a) has given us enough knowledge to differentiate between good and evil”
Religious songs accompanied by music, halal?
I dont undertstand. Aimmah have made clear that music is HARAAM!
Most nasheeds, qasida with music contain flutes and drums, whch makes them all haraam.
What do you understand from these tradtions? Is music halal?
Aimmah have said it is haraam. They have made it crytsal clear.
The books I quoted were authentic, some of shias most authentic books.
I extracted these traditions from Ayatallh Dastheghaib's Book.
What more can we need to convince us?
Not sure, it is better you find out. I wrote because it's allowed in Iran on these occasions.Syed Kazim responded:
I think i miised this point, lol!Muhammad Mahdi added:
it being allowed in Iran does NOT make it Halaal
Very true!Syed Kazim ended with:
...atleast i have someone supporting me!
" And you shall see that music will be so prevalant that no one will dissuade others nor will he find in himself the need to do so. And you shall see that music would be openly played even in the two sanctuaries.( Makkah and Madinah)"
(Mustanad naraqi)
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