Re: Media Room KSIJ & Cameras inside ladies Mosque / Imambargah
Posted: 24 Oct 2012, 01:31
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Since our brothers and sisters are based on assumptions.Remove the assumptions and voila, our brothers and sisters disappear
Muslim Soldier wrote:Since our brothers and sisters are based on assumptions.Remove the assumptions and voila, our brothers and sisters disappear
Dear Br. ZulfikarI am still waiting for a reply
Salaamun Alaykum
Hope you are well.
Please refer to our email conversation below and our informal meeting at the masjid where you informed me the folowing:
- That a decision to install a cut-off switch had been reached
- That this switch will be installed and operational before Muharram
I have been receiving several queries from those who were present during our meeting and others about the implementation of this decision and concerns about the location of such a switch.
Please let us know if the switch is in place and operational. Kindly also advice where the switch has been placed and if it is in a clearly visible location. And the person in charge of the switch.
We would love to be given a demonstration of the effectiveness of the switch at a convenient time for the media room team.
with salaams
abuali wrote:I spoke to the Jamaat secretary today and he updated me that there has been some progress. They have met with Dr. Alidina and he has recommended changing the system so that the media room does not have direct access to the rotating camera on the ladies side.
The secretary informed me that they are working on a solution that involves a cut-of-switch that shall be located in the ladies side which when switched on will allow the signal from the camera on the ladies side to be relayed to the media room. Hence when switched off, the media room will not be able to access the camera in the ladies side.
He said that the system should be in place before Muharram inshallah.
and upon being asked by several jamaat membersIt is funny to see that some of the jamat members have lost their way to the jamaat office and are now coming to ask you jamaat related questions. Can you please enlighten me what your position is in the jamaat that they are coming to ask you jamaat related questions?
Dear Brother Hasin,
Thank you for your mail regarding the cut off switch at the ladies imambargah. The secretariat engaged with the technicians and have not proceeded with the option as it requires breaking the ceiling which is not the preferred option.
Since the installation of the switch is turning out to be a difficult exercise, we are looking for a couple of female media operators. Any suggestions in filling this vacancies would be helpful.
Meanwhile, we would appreciate your confidence in the managing team to make the right decision at an appropriate time with the necessary discretion.
On behalf of the Secretary,
Wa Salaam,
we are looking for a couple of female media operators. Any suggestions in filling this vacancies would be helpful.
The secretary informed me that they are working on a solution that involves a cut-of-switch...BUT now they are backing out after being cornered from every direction and are offering flimsy excuses for their timid act .They don’t want to make hole in the ceiling! What about all the previous holes for other fittings on the ceilings, or are they holes free???
Shirazbhai, Azimbhai, Zulfikarbhai, Zahirbhai
Salaam Alaykum
We write this email with utmost disappointment and feeling of hurt and misplacement of trust with the management team.
We request you to recall our lengthy meeting on the eve of 24 August 2012 (refer to http://ask.or.tz/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=3 ... 150#p16822 for a brief summary) following which Azimbhai and Zulfikarbhai both informed me that after consultation with Sheikh Alidina the Managing Committee has undertaken to install a cut-off switch which will be operational before Muharram. Note that Muharram passed about 6 months ago.
Zahirbhai, as you appreciated in your email our 'confidence in the managing team to make the right decision at an appropriate time with the necessary discretion'. However, our confidence was crushed and the promise made to us was not acted upon. We only get to know this 6 months later, and that also when we inquired!
Zahirbhai, with all due respect, your suggestion of looking for a couple of female media operators is making a mockery of the sensitivity and seriousness of this issue. Granted, you may have made the comment without being aware of all the options and conditions that we have already discussed and ruled out. I therefore would like you to refer to the very lengthy discussion about this issue at http://ask.or.tz/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=3093&start=150 and also request a briefing from the managing committee members who are well aware of the sensitivities of this issue and the sharia that applies to it.
In view of the above, we would like to request the following:
1. Immediate removal of the rotating camera from the ladies side until the switch can be installed.
2. If installing the switch is 'turning out to be difficult' then work on a separate ladies only media room should begin as the next viable option.
3. A meeting with the managing committee to discuss the above.
A reminder to all of us that it was to protect the Hijab that Bibi Zainab was ready to burn alive. Yet, it is the imam bargah which exists to carry out her sunnat where we are taking the protection of hijab of our women folk lightly.
I trust we can have the meeting soon to discuss and implement a way forward.
with salaams
Hasin, Muhammad, Muhamad, Ahmad, Mohammedraza
A quick summary of the meeting
Dr alidina, shk saqalain, zahir somji, sadik alishan, bhaijaan and myself were present
We started at about 7 and finished at about 9am
After dealing with the initial issues whereby sadik and zahir complained about bringing the issue on ask and all
They said they have implemented changes and are implementing changes to deal with our observations
They denied the system being abusable
Bhaijaan very efficiently explained how the system was abusable
Eventually dr asked if thesystem was abusable to sadik
He said no
Then bhaijan mentioned how the cameras can be viewed via dvr
And how someone can plug in and watch the ladies camera while dua iftitah slides are playing
Sadik had to agree it can be done But said no one would
Dr alidina then mentioned how once a media room team member had askedhim if he wants to see how much asraf is happening
Dr asked him how
He said come to media room we will zoom in. Dr said he was shocked that he was being invited to spy on people without their knowledge.
Then asked sadik if this is still possible
He answeed yes
Dr asked if the same is possible to do in the ladies side
He said yes
We proposed the short-medium-long term approach
Short - switch
Medium - the ladies only team which sadik is working on
Long - a seperate media room
Dr asked zahir if jamaat was aware of this proposal. Zahir confirmed that jamaat was aware. Dr then addressed zahir and told him that jamaat should work on the proposal and implement it if there is no logical reason not to do so.
Sadik stated that a separate media room for ladies will never happen.
Sadik and zahir were adamant that the current systems are fine with the changes they are making
Note that i asked the question of why not the switch several times
Never once was the reason of breaking the ceiling given
Instead the question was evaded
Finally shk asked sadik if he can implement the switch
Sadik said he needs time to think
Then he said what if he makes a lock and key within media room to lock the ladies camera cable
I said that will not be as good as a switch since the lock and key will still be within the media room.
Sadik and zahir said even the switch is abusable as someone can break the ceiling and disconnect the cable so the camera can be on even when the switch is off.
By this time sheikh said he needs to conclude the meeting
So he said jamaat should monitor by paying surprise visits and those doing the suprise visits should be trained so that they know what to look for
And we should meet after zilhaj to discuss and see weaknesses and decide what to do next
I said it was reasonable but it was not enough
Dr agreed. He said this is not a final decision.