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Postby ramzan » 31 Mar 2007, 20:40

if shaitan was an angel then how could he have said no to god as he had no nafs and only was supposed to follow gods commands
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Postby Muhammad Mahdi » 01 Apr 2007, 12:19

shaitan was not an angel but a jinn.

jinns, like humans have free will
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Postby ramzan » 01 Apr 2007, 20:19

ok i knew he was jinn, but then jinns can do wrong just like humans so then why did god give him a punishment so bad that he is cursed by whole eternity!
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Postby Muhammad Mahdi » 05 Apr 2007, 14:22

God just sent him out of the heavens. He is cursed because after his exile, he decided to misguide people.

Shaitan was given the opportunity to ask for forgiveness.
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Postby ramzan » 18 Apr 2007, 20:55

dude i dont think so
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Postby Amreen » 04 May 2007, 05:17

isnt angel n jinn same thing..as some jinns r gud.
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Postby Muhammad Mahdi » 04 May 2007, 15:16

angels are made from nur, jinns from fire.
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Postby kulsham » 04 May 2007, 22:22

Muhammad Mahdi wrote:angels are made from nur, jinns from fire.


from the smoke of fire.... but satans were made from fire!!
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Postby Muntazir Manji » 05 May 2007, 01:37

Sa.

Shaitan is not the only being who has been cursed until eternity. In the Quran we have the case of Firawn - A human being! Again please remind yourself of the angel Fitrus, who had been punished by Allah (swt) but then forgiven on the blessed event of the birth of Imam Hussain (a)

What material you are made of does not matter in the eyes of Allah (swt), otherwise his law for the different races of humanbeings would have been different!

The key issue is disobedience to Allah (swt) and that also has its own degrees.

In the case of Firawn, he considered himself to be GOD! his problem was pride, he crossed such a limit that he announced that he did not see anyone higher than himself , and that he was the God most high (ref.

Yet Allah (swt) out of his grace gave him numerous opportunities to refrom himself (messages through the Prophet Musa as, Other signs such as the locusts, rain of stones etc) but he rejected all those signs. At the end moment of his life, as he was drowning, he accepted Allah (swt) out that helplessness, but then allah (swt) rejected him!

The possibility is this, that even at that moment if he was saved, he would go back to his own usual ways as he had done when every calamity befall his kingdom.

In other words, he had reached a point of no return, thus he became one of those who Allah swt is forever displeased with!

This is the case of false repentance!

On the other hand, we have shaitan. He never considered himself GOD. Rather he had worshipped Allah (swt) to the extent that he had been raised to a very high level. So high that he used to teach/instruct the angels, hence he was counted as one of the angels. Thus, when Allah (swt) ordered all the angels to prostrate to Adam (as), he was also included. But his pride made him disobey the command of Allah (swt).

This is a case whereby Allah swt was disobeyed inspite of having witnessed his glory and greatness, not on the earth, but in the HAVENS! where the manifestation of the wonders of Allah (swt) is greater! When such ma'refat could not make shaitan humble towards Allah (swt) then what does he deserve if not eternal damnation! Think about it, he does not only disobey, but he also defies Allah (swt) that he shall misguide the human beings! again PRIDE comes into play!

In contrast to this, we have the angel fitrus, who disobeyed Allah (swt) and was thus punished. But he did not have pride, and he sincerely repented to Allah (swt) and sought a means of Approach (Imam Hussain as) and was forgiven! Allahu Akber!

These scenarios show that Allah (swt) is certainly mercful, compassionate and oft forgiving. He does not eternally condemn any of his creatures (jinn or men) until he has shown them his signs and has warned them. It is when the creature crosses all the limits and reaches a point where there is no posibility for him to change, Allah (swt) leaves him to stray!
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Postby Fatimah Zahra Karim » 14 May 2007, 09:59

According to the Quran, Jinn are made from smokeless fire, not smoke of fire.
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Postby Fatimah Zahra Karim » 14 May 2007, 13:30

Shaitan was given an opportunity to ask for forgivness. Instead, he blamed Allah for his disobediance saying 'surely you have caused me to do this'. After this numerous prophets includin Prophet Musa, Prophet Isa and Prophet Muhammad (pbut) trie convincing him to ask for forgiveness but each time he refused saying he had done nothing wrong. So it is his own fault that he is damned for eternity.[/b]
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