Wahhabis: Do they commonly shave their moustaches?
Posted: 06 Sep 2009, 04:30
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Is it just me or the one which you've chosen looks like a Wahhabi?
Is it just me or the one which you've chosen looks like a Wahhabi?
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hasin wrote:how does a wahabi look like?Without the mustache; just the beard. I'm not sure if that's exactly how it's to be described but I hope you get the point.
Another article:this post seems to generalize all muslims (minus the so called muslims who dont wear hijab at all). Since when are only salafis who wear a veil?
Local mosque architectural styles, reflecting remarkable local cultural syntheses, disappear and are replaced by what many see as unaesthetic, even ugly, 'Wahhabi' equivalents; dargahs or Sufi shrines fall into ruin, being condemned as centres of 'idolatry'; men begin to sport beards and shave their mustaches and some even start to wear the thoub, the long flowing Arab gown; and women are forced or themselves willingly adopt the veil.
Whether it's cultural or not, it would be safe to conclude that the shaving of the mustache is implemented only by the Sunni sect, that too, by extremists which distinguishes them from other Muslims.I think it would be a blatant error to brand someone as extremist just because they dont sport a moustache! Its not haraam to shave it. Its recommended to trim it. Besides most sunnis are peace loving muslims like most shias.
Finally, a picture of Wahhabi terrorists here:If you notice, the other two sport moustaches.
hasin wrote:That article is talking about Wahhabisation of a supposedly 'secular' and 'liberal' society. This biasedness is expected, but the point was not about hijab, but shaving of mustaches of the men, once they convert to the Wahhabi faith.Another article:this post seems to generalize all muslims (minus the so called muslims who dont wear hijab at all). Since when are only salafis who wear a veil?
Local mosque architectural styles, reflecting remarkable local cultural syntheses, disappear and are replaced by what many see as unaesthetic, even ugly, 'Wahhabi' equivalents; dargahs or Sufi shrines fall into ruin, being condemned as centres of 'idolatry'; men begin to sport beards and shave their mustaches and some even start to wear the thoub, the long flowing Arab gown; and women are forced or themselves willingly adopt the veil.
I have met some shia who trim their moustaches (which is recommended by the prophet ) and i have even met some who remove the moustache completely. And hey, we all come across shias who remove their moustaches (and their beards too ).Trimming is recommended, not only of the mustache but also of the beard while shaving is not, as far as I'm aware. I've never seen any Ayatullah or layshia shaving off their mustaches. It's another thing, if the Shi'as shave off their beards completely including the mustaches, but personally, I've not seen any Shi'a shaving off their mustaches while keeping their beard.
I think it would be a blatant error to brand someone as extremist just because they dont sport a moustache!The peaceful Sunnis whom I've come across do not shave their mustaches. This is based on my observation and I could be wrong obviously, having not seen/noticed a Sunni without mustache.
Sphynx wrote:Frankly, I would pay the least credence to an article that assumes that its only the salafis that adorn the veil. If we assume the article is correct that its wahabbis who shave off the moustache we should also assume that they are correct that only wahabbis who adorn veils and the rest of the muslims dont.
That article is talking about Wahhabisation of a supposedly 'secular' and 'liberal' society. This biasedness is expected, but the point was not about hijab, but shaving of mustaches of the men, once they convert to the Wahhabi faith.
Sphynx wrote:Trimming is recommended, not only of the mustache but also of the beard while shaving is not, as far as I'm aware. I've never seen any Ayatullah or layshia shaving off their mustaches. It's another thing, if the Shi'as shave off their beards completely including the mustaches, but personally, I've not seen any Shi'a shaving off their mustaches while keeping their beard.I have never come across any ruling that shaving moustache is not recommended. To the contrary I have read somewhere that one of our Imams used to trim his moustache all the way till the roots.
Sphynx wrote:The peaceful Sunnis whom I've come across do not shave their mustaches. This is based on my observation and I could be wrong obviously, having not seen/noticed a Sunni without mustache.So if a peaceful sunni decides to shave off his moustache (as I have seen them do) would they have to pay the price by being branded as wahabbis?
Of course, I'm not saying all Wahhabis sport such a kind of beard (without mustache), but it's normally them who keep it this way and therefore, are identified as such.
hasin wrote: Frankly, I would pay the least credence to an article that assumes that its only the salafis that adorn the veil. If we assume the article is correct that its wahabbis who shave off the moustache we should also assume that they are correct that only wahabbis who adorn veils and the rest of the muslims dont.I'd believe it is talking about the veil which covers the women in entirety. Like the one, which was forced by Taliban in Afghanistan.
I have never come across any ruling that shaving moustache is not recommended. To the contrary I have read somewhere that one of our Imams used to trim his moustache all the way till the roots.Can you post it?
So if a peaceful sunni decides to shave off his moustache (as I have seen them do) would they have to pay the price by being branded as wahabbis?If in India, then yes. All the Sunnis here who are converting to Wahhabism - Deobandis (Tabligi Jamaats) are the ones who are shaving off their mustaches. Even those who are from other parts of the world, from my observation, the Sunnis who have been heavily influenced by Wahhabis, are the ones shaving off their mustaches (posted one example above and here's another).
(oh, and just in case, I did change my avatar )At least this discussion was effective
'd believe it is talking about the veil which covers the women in entirety. Like the one, which was forced by Taliban in Afghanistan.Read the article again. At best the author has minimal knowledge of Islam and that from the modern-western-'muslim' perspective. At worst the author has no knowledge of Islam and is going with the flow of the zionist media in vilifying muslims.
Can you post it?I will look this up and post it inshallah. However the point stands: Innocent until proven guilty. I have not read anything that would make shaving of the mustache makrooh or haraam.
At least this discussion was effectiveActually, I had forgotten about the Ask addict avatar. When I saw couldn't resist using it
hasin wrote: Perhaps Ustaz Hussein can tell us if in his encounters with wahabis in Tanzania he has noticed this trend that you speak of.Perhaps, Tanzania has yet to witness the intense Wahhabi propaganda and tabligh like it is done in other parts of the world. I have a friend in Kenya, I can confirm this trend with her as she usually discusses about the Wahhabi influence spreading in Africa.
Sphynx wrote:Perhaps, Tanzania has yet to witness the intense Wahhabi propaganda and tabligh like it is done in other parts of the world. I have a friend in Kenya, I can confirm this trend with her as she usually discusses about the Wahhabi influence spreading in Africa.I will let ustaz hussein (or anyone else with first hand knowledge on the issue) comment on this. From what I have heard from people involved in Tabligh here, it is VERY intense.
Sphynx wrote:As for the article, I'm sorry, I don't see your point. You've just picked on one article (which we know is biased), overlooking the others, and bring up irrelevant points.I was replying to your post below in which I assumed (my bad, apologies if you were not defending it) you were defending the article as being non-biased.
Sphynx wrote:Since you've agreed the article is biased we can now leave it behind us.
I'd believe it is talking about the veil which covers the women in entirety. Like the one, which was forced by Taliban in Afghanistan.
Sphynx wrote:As for makruh or haraam, the discussion was never about fiqhi rulings, rather that such a kind of beard is usually identified with Wahhabis. In Shi'a fiqh, it may be permissible to shave (I'm not aware of its recommendation) but as said before, I have never witnessed any Shia scholar or layperson keeping a beard without mustache - for it to be specifically identified with Shi'as.As we both appreciate, Islam is a way of life. The proof of this is the fact that the sunna of the Holy Prophet and Aimmah provide elaborate details of how to conduct ones life. This includes trimming and shaving. Hence it is an issue of jurisprudence. Besides if the act becomes increasingly identified with wahabis, jurisprudence wise, the ulema may issue a verdict of non-recommendation so as to not identify ourselves with the wahabis.
Sphynx wrote: What I was asking you to post was the hadith which you said that the Imams [a] used to trim their mustaches to the roots (by the way, I did say trimming is recommended not only of the mustache but also of the beard).Yes, I had read it some time ago. Will need some time to look it up and post it with references inshallah.
Sphynx wrote:Anyhow, I suppose we can respectfully agree to disagree.Discussion is always fruitful. I have already learned so much because of this discussion.