Sphynx wrote:Perhaps, Tanzania has yet to witness the intense Wahhabi propaganda and tabligh like it is done in other parts of the world. I have a friend in Kenya, I can confirm this trend with her as she usually discusses about the Wahhabi influence spreading in Africa.
I will let ustaz hussein (or anyone else with first hand knowledge on the issue) comment on this. From what I have heard from people involved in Tabligh here, it is VERY intense.
Sphynx wrote:As for the article, I'm sorry, I don't see your point. You've just picked on one article (which we know is biased), overlooking the others, and bring up irrelevant points.
I was replying to your post below in which I assumed (my bad, apologies if you were not defending it) you were defending the article as being non-biased.
Sphynx wrote:
I'd believe it is talking about the veil which covers the women in entirety. Like the one, which was forced by Taliban in Afghanistan.
Since you've agreed the article is biased we can now leave it behind us.
Most of the other articles I have not read after having a quick look at their sources. There is a lot of information out there, most of which falls into the 'little knowledge' category.
I think your argument would carry more value if you could provide shia ulema or alim sources which we can all trust and believe in. If your claim that the shaving of the mustache is
usually identified with wahabis is true, I think before you and I, our ulemas would have pointed it out and forewarned us about it.
Sphynx wrote:As for makruh or haraam, the discussion was never about fiqhi rulings, rather that such a kind of beard is usually identified with Wahhabis. In Shi'a fiqh, it may be permissible to shave (I'm not aware of its recommendation) but as said before, I have never witnessed any Shia scholar or layperson keeping a beard without mustache - for it to be specifically identified with Shi'as.
As we both appreciate, Islam is a way of life. The proof of this is the fact that the sunna of the Holy Prophet and Aimmah
provide elaborate details of how to conduct ones life. This includes trimming and shaving. Hence it is an issue of jurisprudence. Besides if the act becomes increasingly identified with wahabis, jurisprudence wise, the ulema may issue a verdict of non-recommendation so as to not identify ourselves with the wahabis.
Besides, I never said wahabis dont shave their mustaches. What I said was it was dangerous to stereotype (i.e. call everyone who doesnt sport a mustache a wahabi).
I agree, its definitely not identified with shias. But this is also due to cultural reasons as a i explained before. (i.e. shias live in cultures that pride themselves in having a mustache). Like you mentioned, this does not point towards shaving mustache being discouraged or non-permissible (in other words not everyone who shaves his mustache is a wahabi).
Sphynx wrote:
What I was asking you to post was the hadith which you said that the Imams [a] used to trim their mustaches to the roots (by the way, I did say trimming is recommended not only of the mustache but also of the beard).
Yes, I had read it some time ago. Will need some time to look it up and post it with references inshallah.
Sphynx wrote:Anyhow, I suppose we can respectfully agree to disagree.
Discussion is always fruitful. I have already learned so much because of this discussion.