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Women watching men without their shirts

Postby sadika » 08 Dec 2011, 21:22

i came up with this mind boggling question on the night of ashura when many of us ladies in the upper imambargah gathered at the windows to watch the zanjeer matam.

is it allowed?

what about the same situation but in a swimming pool like white sands?
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Re: Women watching men without their shirts

Postby abuali » 09 Dec 2011, 17:51

I remeber reading a Q&A about swimming pools with mixed genders. I cant remember if it was makrooh or haraam as per Syd. Sistani
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Re: Women watching men without their shirts

Postby abuali » 13 Dec 2011, 21:54

Here is the Q&A

Question :
What is the Islamic opinion to swimming in unisex environments such as the beach, swimming pools, and other areas?
Answer :
It is not permissible.
http://sistani.org/index.php?p=855722&id=1260
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Re: Women watching men without their shirts

Postby Insaan » 18 Dec 2011, 03:33

but that is for swimming. there might be unintentional touching in the pool. wat about only being there and not swimming? or watching zanjeer? i think it is allowed as long as the men are covered from navel to knees and the women are not looking lustfully.
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Re: Women watching men without their shirts

Postby Reyhana » 18 Dec 2011, 13:20

Its haraam and not allowed.

Check out the fatwa of our ulemas In the book ''code of ethics for muslim men and women'',
under Section 1 ''Rules related To looking At others'',In the category (C) Women Looking at Non-Mahram Men

C) Women Looking at Non-Mahram Men

45 – Rule: It is haram for women to look at the bodies of non-Mahram men with the exception of the face, hands, and that amount which men normally do not cover. AGKMST

Therefore: It is not a problem for women to look at the hair on the head, the face, the hands up to the wrist, the feet up to the ankle, and the neck of a non-Mahram man with the condition that it is not associated with lust. Thus, women are not allowed to attend sporting tournaments [such as swimming, wrestling, weight lifting, soccer (also known as football in some countries) etc…] in which men do not have proper covering.

46 – Rule: It is haram to look at the arms, chest, or any other part of the body of a non-Mahram man who is wearing inappropriate clothing, such as a short sleeve shirt, or has kept the collar of his shirt open, or is wearing see-through clothing, etc… even if it is without the intention of lust. AGKLMS

P.S note that the initial S stands for the ruling of Ayatullah Sistani[may Almighty grant him a long and healthy life]

For those interested,below is the link for the online book:
http://www.al-islam.org/a-code-of-ethic ... and-women/

This book is also available for sale in our Tabligh bookshop in Dar.Its very enlightening and informative.
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Re: Women watching men without their shirts

Postby Reyhana » 18 Dec 2011, 13:58

This book contains the fatawa of eight Maraja’ Taqlid, three of whom have passed away, namely: Ayatullah al-Udhma al-Hajj as-Sayyid Ruhullah al-Musawi al-Khomeini, Ayatullah al-Udhma al-Hajj as-Sayyid Muhammad Riza al-Gulpaygani, and Ayatullah al-Udhma al-Hajj ash-Shaykh ‘Ali al-Araki. The other five Maraja’, who are presently living, May Allah protect them all, include: Ayatullah al-Udhma al-Hajj ash-Shaykh Muhammad Taqi Behjat, Ayatullah al-Udhma al-Hajj ash-Shaykh Nasir Makarim Shirazi, Ayatullah al-Udhma al-Hajj as-Sayyid ‘Ali al-Husaini as-Seestani, Ayatullah al-Udhma al-Hajj ash-Shaykh Mirza Jawad Tabrizi, Ayatullah al-Udhma al-Hajj ash-Shaykh Fazil Lankarani.

The abbreviations for the Maraja’ Taqlid are as follows:

A

Ayatullah al-Udhma al-Hajj ash-Shaykh ‘Ali al-Araki

B

Ayatullah al-Udhma al-Hajj ash-Shaykh Muhammad Taqi al-Behjat

G

Ayatullah al-Udhma al-Hajj as-Sayyid Muhammad Riza al-Gulpaygani

K

Ayatullah al-Udhma al-Hajj as-Sayyid Ruhullah al-Musawi al-Khomeini

L

Ayatullah al-Udhma al-Hajj ash-Shaykh Muhammad Fazil al-Lankarani

M

Ayatullah al-Udhma al-Hajj ash-Shaykh Nasir Makarim al-Shirazi

S

Ayatullah al-Udhma al-Hajj as-Sayyid ‘Ali al-Husaini as-Seestani

T

Ayatullah al-Udhma al-Hajj ash-Shaykh Mirza Jawad al-Tabrizi
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Re: Women watching men without their shirts

Postby abuali » 23 Dec 2011, 18:59

Jazakallah sister!

Reyhana wrote:46 – Rule: It is haram to look at the arms, chest, or any other part of the body of a non-Mahram man who is wearing inappropriate clothing, such as a short sleeve shirt, or has kept the collar of his shirt open, or is wearing see-through clothing, etc… even if it is without the intention of lust. AGKLMS


I didn't know this! So for women who are working/studying or out in public among the general population, how can they practically apply this? Short sleeves, collar open, shirtless laborers are all so common here.

Does that mean that men are also required to wear long sleeved shirts?

Reyhana wrote:45 – Rule: It is haram for women to look at the bodies of non-Mahram men with the exception of the face, hands, and that amount which men normally do not cover. AGKMST

Therefore: It is not a problem for women to look at the hair on the head, the face, the hands up to the wrist, the feet up to the ankle, and the neck of a non-Mahram man with the condition that it is not associated with lust. Thus, women are not allowed to attend sporting tournaments [such as swimming, wrestling, weight lifting, soccer (also known as football in some countries) etc…] in which men do not have proper covering.


So, swimming in common pools is definitely haraam as it would necessitate a look. Attending soccer matches has been ruled out. What about watching sports/serials/movies on TV/Cinema were inappropriate clothing is rampant?

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