Matam, Zanjeer, Shabih..Ritual??tradition??or religious?

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Matam, Zanjeer, Shabih..Ritual??tradition??or religious?

Postby Aliabbas Nasser » 10 Dec 2010, 15:18

The above are areas of discussions and having various different thoughts unanswered...I personally also query and get confused with so many different vies about the above topic...do we do it for show off?? did our imams do it? is the Holy Quran guiding us on it??

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Re: Matam, Zanjeer, Shabih..Ritual??tradition??or religious?

Postby Muntazir » 11 Dec 2010, 07:52

In His name, the Most High

The main objective of mourning and lamentation during 'Ashura, is to respect the signs and symbols of Religion and remember the suffering of Imam Hussain (a), his companions, and his uprising to defend Islam and prevent the destruction of the religion by Bani Umayyad dynast. These rites must be done in such a way that in addition to serving that purpose, it draws the attention of others to these lofty goals. Also its ritual aspect should be preserved. So those actions which are not understandable for the enemies of Islam and non-Shia Muslims and causes misunderstanding and contempt for the religion must be avoided.

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Postby Aliabbas Nasser » 12 Dec 2010, 16:50

Thanks Muntazir....This simplifies the understanding.....how do we spread this message and make others understand as well?? as many still dont understand this and continue giving the wrong message to all!!
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Re: Matam, Zanjeer, Shabih..Ritual??tradition??or religious?

Postby Muntazir » 13 Dec 2010, 14:49

In the name of the Most-Merciful.

as-Salaamu 'aleykum.

I have an article that digs the truth on regards to Zanjeer and other rituals which is very useful for the youths today concerning the vast exposures of shedding blood, etc.

I have it on pdf and could only email it to those interested. Send me your email on muntazir_j@hotmail.com and I'll fwd it to you.

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Re: Matam, Zanjeer, Shabih..Ritual??tradition??or religious?

Postby Muhammad Mahdi » 13 Dec 2010, 18:48

I wud suggest posting thee contents of the pdf. Might make us all learn sumthin new
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Postby Muntazir » 13 Dec 2010, 19:02

In the name of the Truthful.

as-Salaamu 'aleykum.

It's long and I doubt if I can copy its contents. Let me try it out and see insha'Allah.
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Postby Aliabbas Nasser » 13 Dec 2010, 19:33

I also suggest that you post it so as for many to benefit and we can all refer to it, you can also copy and paste the contents if pdf is not possible.
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Postby abuali » 13 Dec 2010, 20:28

If you can email it to me I can try and upload it for everyone
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Postby Muntazir » 14 Dec 2010, 01:33

In the name of God - the Merciful.

Kindly copy/paste and download the Pdf file from the following link: sites.google.com/site/qiyaama/Origin_Rituals.pdf

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Re: Matam, Zanjeer, Shabih..Ritual??tradition??or religious?

Postby Muhammad Mahdi » 14 Dec 2010, 06:28

(salam)

Thanks for the link. Just a point, that article does seem to have a few dubious portions, please read with care
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Postby Aliabbas Nasser » 15 Dec 2010, 23:31

Salaams!

Thanks Muntazir, did help!
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Postby Muntazir » 16 Dec 2010, 14:44

'aleykum as-Salaam warahmatullah.

You're welcome akhi. I will share more of these articles as I have many in my external harddrive. But try also to do some research on these topics as it might be very useful for the coming generation, insha'Allah.

Also view the fataawas on 'azadari on Islamic Sciences.

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Re: Matam, Zanjeer, Shabih..Ritual??tradition??or religious?

Postby abuali » 25 Dec 2010, 12:58

I have some concerns about the reliability of this article.

The following are the concerns:

1. The author has relied on written works (and therefore ignored oral transmission)

2. I am not too sure if the author knows arabic, and therefore has relied on translations of only parts of written works. He can possibly not have exhausted all the sources if he does not know arabic.

3. Being a non-muslim western scholar, certain mindsets are expected.
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Re: Matam, Zanjeer, Shabih..Ritual??tradition??or religious?

Postby abuali » 15 Jan 2011, 18:23

Sayyid Saeed Akhtar Rizvi had written an article on the azaadari of Imam Hussain (as) and the different rituals and an analysis of whether such rituals are practicle sunnah or verbal sunnahs of the prophet (pbuh) or Imam's (as).

The article was published in his urdu book 'Karbala Shinasi' which has also been translated into English title 'Understanding Karbala"

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